GLADYS KNIGHT: How are you doing?ALICIA KEYS: I'm good.
GK :: All over the place, huh?
AK: Not so much right now, because I'm working on the next album.
GK :: Are you?
AK: Yeah. It's going very, very well. I'm just sort of taking it all down a notch, and trying to cut all the extracurricular activities out of there and really focus.
GK :: We used to call that "woodshedding." People don't realize how many different directions you can get pulled in just being in this business. When you're talking about making an album... well, that's a whole other life in itself. So, who are you doing the album with? Are you writing right now?
AK: I write and produce my albums with my partner, Krucial, so together we get the majority of it going. Sometimes I'll do collaborations with people I admire and things like that. It all just comes together. In fact, I was just talking with my friend about the different lengths of time it takes people to do albums. When you were first starting out, how often-look, I'm about to interview you.
GK :: You just keep talking, girl.
AK: Well, when you first started, how often did you put out albums?
GK :: Not as regularly as you guys.
AK: Really?
GK :: Yeah. See, back in our time, we were brought up to believe that this is what we were going to do for the rest of our lives. It was what was going to feed us, clothe us, and help us send our kids to school. From our mentors, we'd hear, "You don't want to be just as hot as your last record. You need to build your performance skills so you can work whether you've got a record or you don't." So we built ourselves up first by performing, and we got to be known that way until we worked up to being headliners. They throw that word out: "tour" well, we've been touring all of our lives.
AK: And in a much more serious way.
GK : I wanted to ask you about the load you take on as a female in the music business. Do you feel like you owe anything to the industry? Or is music just something that you've always dreamed of doing, and you're just trying to accomplish a goal?
AK: Well, I do feel like I owe something, but not to the industry. When you say "industry," I think of a group of people who don't really care much about you and treat you as a commodity. [Knight laughs] So, in that regard, I don't feel like I owe anything. But the people who've always been supportive of me and have always seen me for my greatest potential-those are the people who I feel like I owe something to. I feel like I am their voice. I owe it them to represent them in a way that they can be proud of.
GK : I know that music has a special place with you because of the way you write it and perform it. But what else do you dream about doing?
AK: I dream about speaking in big forums about issues that need to be spoken about. I dream about helping others who I know and love, helping them realize their dreams. I dream about being able to express myself through acting, which I'm starting to do more of -- and writing, definitely. I dream about the people I love being as happy as I am. I dream about bringing more realism into the world. Sometimes I just feel like certain things are so glossed over and covered up and swept under the rug and I just want to bring them out. I just dream about bringing things to light.
GK :: What about camaraderie in the business? Do you guys have each other's backs?
AK: I don't know if there's as much dialogue between artists as there once was. When you all went on tour, you all shared the same spaces and pains and heartaches, so you grew together and saw each other's struggles. Now things are a little more separate. Don't get me wrong-there are definitely great friendships that develop, where you meet people and you have a connection with them. But I remember one time speaking to Stevie Wonder, he told me about how people would sometimes just gather in someone's living room and just talk about what was going on...We don't do that today.
GK :: We used to do that all the time. We used to swap cars, like, "Okay, I'm going to ride with Smokey [Robinson] for a while." I even beat Stevie up one day. [Keys laughs] We were all around when Stevie was writing a lot of his early stuff. We were on tour together, and he used to make me come and sing every day after the show-and we were doing six or seven shows a day back then. He would get on the piano, because he ain't got nothing else to do, and I would say, "Stevie, we just got done with a show and we've got four more to do." But he would be like, "Oh, come on, Gladys. Just sing this part." He was writing [sings] "I'm gonna rap on your door."
AK: Wow.
GK :: And this business can also change you.
AK: Change you, and chew you up, and spit you out, and be rid of you, and on to the next thing. That's why it's so important to know who you are and stand up for something. I'm still learning about myself. I find out new things every day.
GK :: Give me some of your pet peeves.
AK: Give me one of yours, and then I'll give you one of mine.
GK :: Okay, so there are some announcements that they make before you go onstage: no recording of this show, no pictures taken, none of that stuff. Then as soon as you step onstage, you get flash-flash-flash. This is show business. These people we hook up with go to great lengths to make sure that they've got control of our likenesses, and you're going to take my picture with a cell phone?
AK: [laughs] The cell phone thing is out of control. Here's my pet peeve: The not-so-unstated rule that all women are only to be treated as sexual objects and gawked at-you know, sitting up against a car, washing something, bending over, licking something. That just drives me crazy.
GK :: But you know what? It's up to us to take back that control. We've got to not be willing to give up everything in order to have fame.
AK: Yeah. Make people wonder a bit more.
GK :: That's what romance is all about. Do you feel like you're a romantic at heart?
AK: There's romance in my heart. But that's another thing that my friends and I talk about: beautiful love songs, because there aren't many of them anymore.
GK :: No, they're sex songs now. Write something!
AK: I will. You know what else we don't have enough of? What you and I are doing right now. We don't get to talk among generations. We think that we don't really have anything in common. It's like, "I can't understand them kids," or, on the other side, "I can't understand that woman, and she's never going to understand me." So we just don't talk.
GK :: That is so very true. One time at a show I had an opportunity to talk to Tupac and Suge Knight for three hours in my dressing room. They both came by with their moms. I know that they had their own trials and tribulations, but we got to talk to each other like human beings, and they opened up. They were just a couple of guys at that point. Their mothers spoke of the pain that they felt, and how they had fallen short as far as their children were concerned. Tupac was saying how much he longed to have conversations like that, and that it was such a myth that his generation was fighting against ours and didn't want to hear what we thought. He got killed not too long after that. So that's something that we need to work on together. I'm going to be hoggin' you and doggin' you, girl, because I know you're busy. I know your life right now. But we're going to keep in touch.
AK: That's right.
